EPISODE 116: Forensic Astrology: Psychic Detection for Solving Crimes and Mysteries with John Bazley & Ann Theato

Can astrology help solve crimes? In this gripping episode of Psychic Matters, I’m joined by renowned forensic astrologer and psychic detective John Bazley — an expert in using astrology and psychic abilities to uncover hidden truths, locate missing persons, and crack real-life cold cases.

We dive into chilling investigations, powerful intuitive insights, and the fascinating ways astrology and psychic detection intersect in the world of criminal investigation. Whether you're passionate about true crime, astrology, or psychic phenomena, this episode will leave you questioning what’s truly possible. 

Tune in now and discover how the stars might just hold the answers to the world’s most mysterious crimes 

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"If something's in an air sign, it's up high by an airport or a highway, a cliff, a tree. If it's in a fire sign, it's by a wall or someplace that radiates heat, like an incinerator or a radiator inside a house. If it's in a ground sign, it's at ground level or below. And if it's in a water sign, it's low and wet like a basement or near a bathroom sink, or a cistern, a well, maybe an old mineshaft." - John Bazley
 

  
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EPISODE 116

You’ll Learn:

• How forensic astrology can be used as a tool for psychic detection and crime-solving.
• The role of astrology and psychic abilities in uncovering hidden details in investigations.
• Practical examples of how astrology has helped solve real-world mysteries.
• The process behind using astrology charts to gather clues and insights into criminal cases.
• The connection between astrological signs and psychic intuition in detective work.
• How John Bazely applies his expertise in both astrology and psychic detection to uncover truths.
• The potential of combining astrology with other psychic practices for a more holistic approach to solving crimes

Transcript

VO: Psychic Matters with Ann Théato. The top ranked spirituality podcast.

 

Ann: Hello everyone, and welcome to Psychic Matters. I'm your host Ann Théato, and today we are diving deep into the fascinating world of forensic astrology and psychic investigation. I am very, very excited to be speaking with my guest today, John Bazley, a highly skilled, intuitive detective, forensic astrologer, and dowser who has worked on high profile criminal cases around the world. Specialising in missing persons and homicide, particularly cold cases, John has collaborated with law enforcement agencies, detectives, and world-renowned figures like Tony Stockwell and Scott Russell Hill, providing crucial insights that have helped solve some of the most complex mysteries. John's expertise spans several areas, including forensic astrology, psychic detection, spirit art, remote viewing, and dowsing. And he uses these tools to uncover hidden truths and bring justice to those in need. He's also contributed his skills to the legendary Oak Island Project, a long running TV series about the search for hidden treasure, where he worked alongside Rick and Marty Lagina. But today we are here to talk about forensic astrology and its incredible power in criminal investigations, missing persons cases, and beyond. John Bazley, welcome to Psychic Matters.  

 

John: Hi Ann, happy to be here.  

 

Ann: Oh, I'm so excited to speak with you today, and I know you've got such a busy schedule, John, and we've been trying to meet for quite some time. So, I'm just absolutely delighted that we've both managed to find time to spend together today. So, to begin with, maybe you could explain for everybody what forensic astrology is.  

 

John: Well, really forensic astrology, is looking at crime through the lens of astrology, through the celestial bodies, such as the sun, the moon, the stars, and we look at an event chart and we could see the crime in 360 degrees. 

 

Ann: Oh my goodness. Really? For real.  

 

John: Absolutely.  

 

Ann: How do you start, where do you begin when you've got a case then?  

 

John: Well, first of all, with astrology, a lot of people are familiar with the birth chart. So, you have a date of birth, a location of your birth, and then a time. But with forensic astrology, you have a date of the crime or the incident. You have a location of where it took place, but most importantly, you have a timestamp. So, what is a timestamp? A timestamp could be a when a 911 call was placed, when an amber alert went out, when a police report or missing person's report has been issued, a last witness seen, a last cell phone call, a last cell phone text. 

 

You take that time and, and put it in the place where you normally would've had the birth time. And then a chart is cast and what you see is the crime. Everything is there that you need to reveal what happened.  

 

Ann: What if somebody doesn't have, or if you don't have access to their date of birth or their, or the time they went missing or something, you haven't quite got all that information. 

 

John: Well, as far as a birth chart is concerned, if you don't have a birth time, there are astrologers who are experts in retrieving that time, rectification astrologers. And that is quite a task I would say. You would have to ascertain their major life events or milestones, such as getting married, for instance, and then they work backwards to arrive at a time. It may not be the exact time, but it'll be close to it, close enough.  

 

Ann: Wow. This just, it fascinates me, the whole thing. So, I know before we started our interview, you spoke about the importance of the history of forensic astrology.  

 

John: Yes.  

 

Ann: Maybe you could give us a potted history of this. 

 

John: So, I want to go all the way back to the beginning, Ann, back in prehistoric times.  

 

Ann: Really? That far back?  

 

John: That far back, yes.  

 

Ann: Whoa, okay.  

 

John: Early humans were tracking celestial cycles using the sun, the moon, and the stars, and they were marking seasons, migrations, and agricultural patterns. And how they did that is, primitive humans would carve the phases of the moon into reindeer bones, mammoth tusks or, sometimes they would paint these on the walls of caves. Bones were even found in graves, rib bones with 28 notches and 29 notches. And that's pretty significant evidence. Now, those cave paintings along with stone markers, and we, we really don't know what those stone markers were emphasising. It could have been days, it could have been rituals or so on, but they they accounted for 29 and a half days or approximately a month and they were using these celestial bodies for survival, tracking seasons and migration patterns. It's fascinating.  

 

Ann: How do you know all this stuff? Have you gone and studied this? Where did you study all this?  

 

John: Well, you know, I had a professor in my radiology programme in college, and he said that to know where you are, you have to know where you came from. And I believe that's true with astrology as well.  

 

Ann: Wow. So let's use that as a little segue into, uh, just going back a little bit into your life. You mentioned there that you, uh, had a radiology professor. Um, so, so therefore you were a radiologist. So, so, from radiology, how did you become intuitive? Is that something that's always been with you since a child and then you've moved into astrology and forensics? What's your sort of life story?  

 

John: Well, as far as radiology is, is concerned, I was what's known as a radiologic technologist, an x-ray tech. I, I take the pictures that the radiologist would review. Now, as far as my history with psychic phenomena, I would say that that started in 2006. Although maybe even, even further back as a child, I would see the 1111 awakening sign. I would see 1111 on clocks everywhere.  

 

Ann: Yes.  

 

John: Every day, and, you know, we didn't have the power of the internet back then. So, I didn't know. But in 2006 I was woken up early in the morning, like three o'clock in the morning, and my grandmother was standing at the end of the bed and I'm looking at her just like, I'm looking at you. And she had a pink nightgown on. And in her later years, that's what she wore all the time. So, it was actually very comforting to see her like that. Now, I'm staring at her and she said, hello, dear. I just want to let you know that I'm with your grandfather and I'm all right. And I said, okay. And she said, oh, well, all right, I'm gonna go now. I said, okay. And she said, I love you. I said, I love you too. And it felt like I woke up again, but this time it was morning and the room when she appeared was lighter and more heaven like, it was still the room, but the atmosphere was different. When I woke up the second time, the room was a slight bit heavier and normal lighting. 

And I said, oh, wow, cool, yeah, yeah. I, I saw my grandmother again, great dream, you know. I called my mother up, told her what I told you, and long pause. And she said, John, today is the anniversary of your grandmother's passing. And that was, that was, it took me back a little bit. Now, I, I really made nothing of it, at that time. But later on I was watching a show called Medium, with Patricia Arquette. It was based on the life of a very famous psychic medium, Alison Dubois, who did help out with criminal cases. And I looked her up on the internet and she stated that she had a visit, a dream visitation, from her grandfather. And almost the exact same conversation took place. And she said, that's how I found out I was a psychic medium. And I said to myself, well, if that's how she found out that she was a psychic medium, am I a psychic medium? And that led to me looking up things on the internet, reading books, and I think I read 60 books that year. And then getting into psychic development circles and workshops and so on.  

 

Ann: Yeah, and you've studied for a great many years doing all those.  

 

John: I did, yeah.  

 

Ann: And building up your skills as a medium and as a psychic and ... 

 

John: Yes.  

 

Ann: ...in many, many areas. Gosh, that's amazing. So, you are now working on these, um, criminal cases using this forensic astrology. So, do you work on your own or do you work in a team of people?  

 

John: Um, it's a little bit of both. I, I do have a a psychic detection group that I'm currently working with now, and there's about six or eight people, some people come and go and so on like that. I've worked on, with other psychic detection groups as well, but then sometimes on my own. I'll wake up in the morning and I have two astrology groups on Facebook that I look at. 

Death and Astrology and The Darkest Astrology. They're run by a very talented forensic astrologer by the name of Pythia Serpentis. Now that's her, her pen name, that's not her real name.  

 

Ann: Such a great name. I love that name. 

 

John: Right? Yeah.  

 

Ann: So good.  

 

John: And she is an amazing, amazing, forensic astrologer. She uses what's called uranium astrology, and I don't understand too much about it, but she actually looks at the birth chart and could derive what happened to a person later on in life. 

 

 But I'll take a look at a chart that someone's posted and, uh, they'll say, oh, this happened to my family member. Here's their birth chart. Or, um, they'll give the, place of the event, or, or if it was a murder or an abduction and then they'll say, you know, can you help? And, that I'd like to say that, those three words I almost put above 'I love you'. Can you help? When you are asked that you are invited in into the case and the energy is just different. I mean, listen to my, my words. If I said, oh, that looks like an interesting case. I'd like to work on it. I'm gonna look at the chart and I'm gonna see what it's all about, as opposed to, can you help? My uncle was murdered, uh, the police, uh, don't have any clues. You see how the energy is different, just in my words alone?  

 

Ann: Yeah, very, very different, very interesting. So, if somebody did come to you, then John, and unfortunately let's hope nobody does, but if they did come and they obviously do, and say that my uncle has died, where do you begin? What is the process?  

 

John: So, the process is, again, I will ask them to provide a date of the incident, the location, and then that timestamp. And I'll explain to 'em what the timestamp is, like I did for you before. And we call it casting a chart. The chart comes up and it's in a piece of software. I use Astro Seek but there's, there's many different types. It's free, anyone can use it. It all depends on what you're used to. And when I first look at a chart, um, I just kind of sit with it, a little bit and just take it in. And, you know, let me say, Ann, you are a psychic medium and you know that the area in which we do this work is so important, so clutter-free, area, devoid of distractions if possible. I like to be in the same area each and every single time to let that energy build up over time. And also, I like to sit, uh, just as I am now sitting, straight back erect, and then clear my mind out. And when I'm looking at the chart, I'm taking it in. And then just right before I begin, I usually say a little prayer. And might I add, I've never told this to anyone before. No one, not my family members or anyone in my groups or anything, but I say this prayer at the beginning as a sign of respect. And I say, "I see you. I see your light, your journey, your story. I honour your presence in this moment, beyond time, beyond distance, beyond space. May truth find its voice and may clarity reveal its path. I see you." 

 

Ann: Oh,... 

 

John: And in that way, you're inviting that soul or souls in and I, I, I truly believe that they can help you. And when I say souls, not just humans, but you know, animals as well can help you out. I've done some cases for mysterious cats, and let me tell you, they're the fastest charts that I do. I believe the cats literally, uh, help you and, and show you exactly what happened.  

 

Ann: It, that is such a beautiful moving, it's not an incantation, but it, well, it is in a way, it is like a, a mantra or like you called it, a prayer to begin with, to set the scene, to invite them into assist in the process also. Beautiful.  

 

John: I, I think it's a, a nice sign of respect in showing them, you know, I'm here to do this work. I'm here to help your family members, the police, or anyone else uncover what has taken, taken place. Now, from that point, I believe that you have to have an entry point into the chart. Now, the entry point is different for every forensic astrologer. 

 

Some like to, to look at the first house in the very beginning, and that will tell the story for them. The first house is the person, in this case, the victim and their surroundings. So if they see a planet in there like Mars, that can mean a violent murder or decapitation. Something horrific happened at that time. 

 

Or if the planet that is representing the victim is there, well, that means that they were in their surroundings or in a place of comfort. So, it could even be the woods where they, where they hiked. Now, for other people, they may look at, Pluto, Pluto being the trouble point in the chart, because wherever Pluto is, there's chaos, destruction, upheaval, and it can give you a pretty big clue as to what's going on. 

 

Say, if it's in the eighth house, well, it could tell you that there's a death, but maybe that there's money involved or the motivation was sex or revenge because Scorpio is overseeing that house. It could be an inheritance or an insurance matter. For instance, if it's in the 11th house, it could be a party or some networking or friends that are involved in the sixth house. It could be, it's a house of work, so it could be that. It's also a house of health, house of small animals, house of stalkers. So, you see where I'm, I'm going with this, uh, where Pluto is, can give you a big first clue as to what's going on. 

 

What I like to do is I look at the chart and I, I look at the, the bad actors. Um, you know, is there Chiron in Aries, which would describe a head blow, maybe some blunt force trauma, a slap to the face, and if it's a medical, mystery, it could be a, a hemorrhage or an aneurysm. Another bad actor is a Uranus and Taurus, which is a fast suffocation. 

 

Or it could be fast food, which, uh, you might laugh, but, you know, these criminals, they commit an act and because they're exerting so much energy, they just want to eat. So oftentimes I'll tell the police or the family members, you know, have them review the security cameras in the area, of fast food restaurants, which can be, very helpful and has been helpful. It could also, uh, could also be a loud scream, as well. so that can, take place in the chart.  

 

Ann: That's fascinating, isn't it? Imagine you get really hungry after you commit a murder. I think if I go out to commit a murder, then I'm gonna pack my sandwiches in a Tupperware box so I can't be seen on, on local cameras. 

Um, going back to the astrology, it trips off your tongue because you know all about astrology, but for me, I don't. I just know astrology as the astrological, Pisces, Aries, this and that. But you speak about the first house, the sixth house, the 11th house. What are these houses, can you explain what they are for those people like me who may be listening, that are not quite sure what that is? 

 

John: Absolutely. So these houses, which were called departments beforehand, they were, invented a long time ago, around the time of, the ancient Greeks and the Egyptians as well. And ... 

 

Ann: Gosh, they're that old. They're not just from the local newspaper, they're that old! Sorry. 

 

John: Oh, absolutely.  

 

Ann: ...for my ignorance. 

 

John: Well, you had, a group called, if we, if we can go back, called the, Sumerians. And, they systematically observed and recorded the stars and celestial movements, and they documented their positions, but also correlated them with, earthly events. So, that's kind of almost the first time we're seeing, that relationship there. 

 

But then they also identified constellations that would later become the Zodiac. From there, the Babylonians, and this is 1800 to 500 bc, they refined astrology, developing the, the zodiac, those animals and dividing the sky into 12 equal parts. And that's where we start seeing almost like the houses. 

 

We now have 12 equal parts in the sky. Then you had the Egyptians later on, that they developed a, a solar calendar of 365 days, which is very important to the timing of things. And then you had the Greeks come in 400 BC to 200 BC and they brought a mathematical precision to astrology, planetary calculations, degrees and aspects, which I'll get in later on. 

 

But they also refined the zodiac, which was already dividing the sky into 12 equal parts, and they added 30 degrees onto each of those parts. So 12 equal parts, 30 degrees, 360 degrees. And now you're seeing how we have that perspective of a, of a crime. And they also came up with what's known as the rulership system. 

 

Now, a sign can govern each house and each sign has a ruling planet associated to it. So, I'm gonna take Aquarius as for instance, and its ruling planet is Uranus. Now, how I like to explain it to people is you are on the street. Something bad is about to happen to you. Somebody's gonna rob you and you see a police officer coming your way. And you know, they're a police officer because they have the uniform and their traditional accruments on them, and one of them being the badge. And the badge is way out ahead of the police officer. Now, police officers will say that the uniform does 90% of the work, but if you look at the badge, which is akin to the ruling planet, that is the essence of a police officer. It lets you know what precinct they belong to or area, their identification through badge number, and it's also their license to carry a gun. Same thing with a, a ruling planet. And to give you an example of that, I did a chart once for a person that was murdered quite horrifically, and Uranus was in Aries, and I never came across that before. And I said, what is that? And I had to take that essence of Aquarius, the ruling planet, which was Uranus. And I'm saying, what does Uranus represent? It's to interrupt, to cut, to cut across, and it's an Aries. And what is Aries? Aries represents the head because it's the ram, right? Every, every sign governs a, part of the body. So, I said, oh, to cut, to cut across the head. It's a decapitation.  

 

Ann: Oh my goodness.  

 

John: Yeah, so, you kind of see how that, that, rulership works. But also, also, the Greeks, they came up with the four elements as well. They incorporated them into, the astrology, air, fire, water, earth, and those have huge meanings in them. 

 

So, if something's in an air sign, it's up high by an airport or a highway, a cliff, a tree. If it's in a fire sign, it's by a wall or someplace that radiates heat, like in like an incinerator or, a radiator inside a house. If it's on a, in a ground sign, it's at ground level or below. And if it's in a water sign, it's low and wet like a basement or near a bathroom sink, or, uh, a cistern, a well, maybe an old mineshaft. A quarry is a big one. Uh, from there, um, and, and so on, like, like that.  

 

Ann: John, you explain it so beautifully and so clearly I felt a bit thick, a bit earlier on, A bit stupid. How did I get to this grand old age without knowing this stuff, but you explain it so beautifully. So, thank you very much. You were talking about, we, before I asked you to go into the explanation of that we were speaking about your process. So, you said you sat down in front of your software Astro Seek and you look at the chart. So, what chart, Astro... then talk us through your process, if you don't mind going back on yourself?  

 

John: Sure. So, I erect the chart and everybody's just about seen a birth chart, but again, we're, looking at it from, a criminal point of view. 

And what I do is, I try and find the victim first, and whatever sign is governing that first house, or the ascendant, the ruling planet, that's going to be, your victim. So, for instance, we'll use, Aquarius again. If Aquarius is in the first house, then Uranus is gonna be your victim. 

 

And then the second thing I like to do is I like to go across the chart to the seventh house. And that house, is a house of relationships, but also your open enemy. This is someone out in the open that you, that you know of. So, let's say that the seventh house is governed by we'll say Scorpio. By day it would be Mars, by night it would be Pluto, and you would look for that sign of the chart.  

If it's in the, the first house or if it's conjuncting right next to, the planet that represents the victim, then the victims knows this person. They saw them, they can identify them as well. They knew each other.  

 

Ann: Wow.  

 

John: So those are, are, are two of the first things I do. I also like to look at, right near the first house is a degree and every chart has one. And I look to see if it's between five degrees and 25 degrees, and that validates the chart. Anything, five degrees or before. And this is how I was taught, is too soon in the chart. Anything 25 degrees is after, is too late in the chart. Now, I have done charts that have been at zero degrees and they were great charts, but, I find that there's a sweet spot somewhere between eight, 10 and 18 degrees, sometimes 20 degrees right in there, are really great charts. 

 

And that's, that's how I start off going. And then again, I look for those bad actors that I mentioned before. Also, if it's a, a missing person or if it's someone that we believe is dead, then I look for Saturn, which is the body and the bones. And where Saturn's at whatever sign, whatever house it's in, can give you clues as to where it's at. 

 

So, if it's in the ninth house, it could be outdoors or because it's a house of long journeys, they could have been abducted and taken far away, maybe across a foreign border. So, if, if a person went missing from California, maybe Mexico, 

 if it was in the fourth house, it would be in the home. If it was in the 10th house, it would be out in the public. If it was in eighth house, it would be something darker that, uh, happened to the body.  

 

Ann: It's absolutely fascinating. But you also add something else into your work, do you not, with your intuition, your psychic ability, do you not psychometrise those charts as well? 

 

John: Absolutely. I think any astrologer, whether they're doing birth charts or forensic astrology, psychometrises the chart, they, they feel into it. And, you know, I have friends, famous forensic astrologers, one of them in particular and she'll say, oh, I don't have intuition. But when we're working on a case, she'll say, oh, I feel this planet and this sign is this. 

And every time you say, I feel, that's intuition. Wouldn't you agree?  

 

Ann: Yeah, I do agree. Definitely. But that, that must inform so much of your work as well. You can look at the chart, you can sort of line up all the things and you can use your knowledge and your conscious mind, but then you have this wonderful extra where you use your subconscious mind to, help you uncover further information. I think it's incredible.  

 

John: I think, I think you're correct in that, Ann, I have a different perspective because I'm a psychic medium, so I can tune into that, that chart, a little bit better. And, plus, I was trained in psychic detection, so again, my mind is geared to that or my soul is geared to that as well. 

 

Ann: And say a little bit more about psychic detection and how you might involve that within forensic astrology.  

 

John: So, with forensic astrology, we'll say I'm working with one of my psychic detection groups and we're brought a case, uh, we're given the background of it, not too much, you know, murder took place on this date. Here's a picture of the person and from there, we'll say, oh, okay, are they alive or passed on? And we'll use psychic detection with that, with picture reading on that with looking at the victim. And then I'll, I'll usually step away and I'll let the other psychics come up with their impressions and so on. But then I'll try and validate their psychic impressions with the forensic event chart. And that's how this all started, was just to validate that information. But from there, I went to validating their information, to finding the facts in the case, and then all of a sudden all these other things came bubbling up. And, that's one of the strengths of forensic astrology is that you uncover so many details in a case.  

 

Ann: What about dowsing? You said that you sometimes use dowsing. How does that work?  

 

John: Dowsing sometimes during a case I'll use it for a direction. If I'm at a crime scene, which I've been, I'll ask the dowsing rods, you know, point to the body, show me where the body is, is at, and they'll gimme a, a direction. Or even just in mapping, I'll have a map in front of me and a pointer. I'll have the map graphed out in boxes, and I'll point to each box, and say, show me the body and I'll just keep that in mind. Or sometimes I place the picture of the victim above the map and I'll point until the rods react and then I draw smaller boxes, dividing it up in quarters, and then go to each of those four boxes and down and down and telling them into a very small area. You always start out large and then work your way smaller.  

 

Ann: That's brilliant, isn't it? It's just so brilliant. What about remote viewing as well? How does that enhance the work of a forensic astrologist?  

 

John: Well, I would say that I use remote viewing, to tune into possibly where, someone is at, their remains, or where a crime took place. And I'll just close my eyes. the image will, will form and I, I might see a mountain. I might be in the woods. I, I really don't know where it's at, but sometimes I'll go up high and get an aerial view of the area. If I still don't know where I'm at, I'll look for landmarks, a billboard, a gas station, some kind of highway, a bridge. If I still can't see anything, I'll ask to be shown what it looks like at night. Oh, do I see a lighthouse somewhere? And that can give me clues as to where it's at. Also, I may just draw the scene and say, oh, here's where it's at. And show it to, the police law enforcement and say, does this place look familiar? 

 

Ann: And drawing is a particularly good skill of yours, is it not?  

 

John: Yes, it is.  

 

Ann: See, yes, I know this, you do beautiful graphic design and beautiful graphic art as well as, illustration and things. What about then using spirit art with this? Is that something that you combine?  

 

John: Yes, I do. I've done it. I've drawn cars which have been very successful. I've drawn perpetrators. Just to give you, for instance, in one of my mentorships with Tony Stockwell, he took us on a meditation, which was a journey back to look at Jack the Ripper. And he took us back to that time, gave us the atmosphere, that world in which the streets are wet and cobblestoned and are gas lit. And he took us to inside the room of his last victim, whose name escapes me right now. And at the very end he said, now turn and look at the ripper. And I saw him and I drew him right then and there. And the funny thing about it is, you know, if I have, a picture of someone in my mind, like, we'll say my father, I couldn't draw him on from my mind onto a pad. 

But when I see something clairvoyant, I can draw it without any problems whatsoever onto the pad. So I drew this, this person that looked like the ripper, and I, I made no big deal of it, but we broke, broke out into, the different rooms and I had three other people in the room. And someone said, wouldn't it be great if we could just take all the descriptions that we have of the ripper and put into a database and it spits out? 

 maybe a suspect. And I said, well, I drew it. Do you wanna see it? So I showed it to 'em. They said, you know what? You wanna look at the ripper suspects and see if they match anyone. Well, it did, and I mean, quite accurately as well. so that was Frederick Deeming. so this person, had killed his wife and children, put them under the floorboards of his home, jumped on a ship bound for Australia, continued killing out there, and the Australian police were quick to, to come upon him. 

They arrested him, tried him for murder or murders, sentenced him to be hanged. Just before he was hanged, they said Any last words? And he said, yes. I did some of the ripper killings, but I didn't do all of the ripper killings, so that made me feel that there was more than one ripper suspect.  

 

Ann: Amazing. 

 

John: Mm-hmm.  

 

Ann: Just so amazing. And talking of that beautiful experience where Tony has talked you through this experience, what about evidential mediumship and talking to spirit communicators, either of the victim or of the perpetrator? Do you use your mediumship in this work?  

 

John: It's funny like I said, clairvoyantly I get things, most often. That's probably my strongest, my next strongest would probably be clairsentience, that clear feeling. Oftentimes the soul of the victim will come in and it will let me experience what they went through. Not always so often with the crime, but just what they were dealing with on a day-to-day, experience that they were having. 

 

One so, uh, let me know how depressed he was and how sad he was. Yet, I knew that he woke up each day. They fought that and they went on to go about their job, have a successful business, putting a smile on their face. They were a kind person, they were the favorite uncle and so on like that. So, that gave me great insight into the, the victim and maybe why this, this crime had occurred. Maybe he was just a little too kind and too giving, and two, taking in of people, you see.  

 

Ann: Just, I just love this conversation, I could talk to you all day, all day. Anyway, we've still got time with you, so, let me ask you some more things. Let me think. I know what I was gonna ask, do you work John directly with families or do you work with the police? How do you get cases presented to you?  

 

John: Well, it's rare that I work with law enforcement. It's mostly families. Families come to you. What happens is, is that okay, something's happened to their family member. And the police come in and they do their work and it goes on and on but most of the time in these cases, the police have run the gamut of everything, they've gone, followed all the clues, and still nothing has appeared as far as a perpetrator or suspect or what happened to the victim. 

And then later on, a couple of years go by and they'll seek out a, a psychic or a medium, and they'll ask for assistance, see if there's any clues and so on like that. And most often they'll get one or two clues but not much. But where the police work has ended, where the psychic and mediums have ended their work, that's where my work begins, it's there. And the wonderful thing about forensic astrology and psychic detection is that we can give a story as to what took place. Yes, we had the clues and so on like that, but, it really, brings a sense of, of solace to know what has happened to a victim. You know, you can't, you can't, end the grieving, the grieving is always gonna be there. It can change over time but it's, it's more of a living side by side with it. I don't believe in closure. I don't think that there's any such thing as closure. But I do believe that we bring answers and could put a story to something. And we, can shine a light onto what happened, we, we bring light into dark places, truth where there is no truth. 

 

Ann: That's really interesting to hear. And it makes me consider, because I've been asked to work on cases as a medium for people that are missing by families or friends of the family. And I find it a really difficult place to be because if you're working with the police or law enforcement, you can give them everything that you get. 

 

John: Mm-hmm.  

 

Ann: But with families, you have to be so careful giving them information not to be prolonging their grief or making it worse, or it's, it's a very fine line that you tread there. It's very difficult. I find, so much so, that I prefer to not work with families directly or prefer not to work directly with their friends of the family, I'd rather work with, law enforcement.  

 

John: Yeah, I believe that, you have to have a certain amount of detachment from a case, and, and that's your detachment from it. But you know, by the time that the families get to me, I might say, oh, I have a report here for you, there's some graphic things in there, and most often they'll say, John, we've heard everything, all the stories, there's nothing that you could say that can shake us. 

 

Ann: Right.  

 

John: And say, okay, fine, you know, and then there are the things that there's just no easy way to say it. So you do say it. But again, I believe that it's in our work that, healing takes place. Someone is passionate, someone comes in, someone's working on it. Someone's saying, I've got this, or, or talking about the victim, I've got him. I'm, I'm gonna work on this. And they're almost relieved. And then you come with this story no matter how horrific, and, you give them, sort of a, a narrative of what took place during the crime. And then they don't have to speculate anymore. They can go in this endless loop of speculation for their whole lives, wondering what happened instead of knowing what happened, which again, can bring some peace and some solace, to the family. 

 

Ann: Mm mm I totally agree. Did I hear you tell me once upon a time on one of our other chats, that some of your files ended up on the desk of the FBI, was that correct?  

 

John: Oh, yeah, well, you know, there was a famous case, Kylie Rodden and I was asked to look at it. From one area there was a person living right there in the town had asked, another medium friend of mine, who was her aunt, you know, can you look into this case? And she's like, you know what, psychic detection's not my thing. Can you look at it? And I'm like, sure. But then also in one of Tony's classes or mentorships, it wasn't on psychic detection, but during a break a woman asked, can you work on this case? And it was the Kylie Rodden case, friend of the family. He said, of course, sure. And then someone asked me from that class to look at it from a forensic astrology point of view, and I also used the rods to give a direction and it was southeast. What's interesting about that case is three things took place. 

One is, I had the correct direction and that line went right over the body of water in which her body was found in a car, in the backseat of a car. There was another woman, Kirsty McIntosh, another forensic astrologer who did a YouTube on it. And she has a particular mapping technique that she uses. I use it as well. And it was deadly accurate to the point where two lines intersected, that's where the car was found. But you know, nobody's paying attention to the YouTube. Also a psychic that I was working with, friend of mine, she said, well, you know, I'm getting that she's in the basement of the cabin in the woods, you know? 

 

Well, as I said, Kylie Rodden was found in the backseat of a car under the water, 14 feet under the water. So, this friend of mine said, wow, I was really off. I said, you know, a cabin in the woods and basement. And I said, no, I said, I don't think, think you were wrong. I said, you know, there's, there's all different types of cabins. 

 

There's cabins of planes, cabins of ships, cabins of cars. And then I said, think about it, she was found in a car under 14 feet of water, low and wet. What is a basement? It's low and wet. So she had the energy come to her.  

 

Ann: Mm-hmm.  

 

John: But it was just slightly misinterpreted. And that's the thing that Tony says often is, we're never wrong, you know, we misinterpret and he's so right.  

 

Ann: Yeah, yeah, that's absolutely a great example.  

 

John: But, that case, when I was done with my report, I guess they put everything together and they gave it to the family and they turned it over to the, the FBI and, where that went on the FBI, I don't know. And I never put my, my name on the report. I really don't need any recognition or anything like that. You know, as mediums we're not about the ego, that almost kind of gets in in the way. But I've worked with some law enforcement and they've been great. I had one astrologer who is also a fantastic remote viewer. She used remote viewing exclusively for her psychic detection. And she had a case and she said, she contacted me, and said, can you help on this one? I said, sure. And she goes, I wanna see how this forensic astrology works. And I said, okay, sure, fine. And she breaks out this legal size pad and she had five pages of information from remote viewing. And I said, what do you need me for? Look at all the information that you had. And she goes, no, I wanna see how this works. I said, okay. So, the detective asked her to see if we can come up with a suspect, a profile. I said, yeah, no, we could do that with forensic astrology, that's one of the things. So, I don't, I can't remember what the, the sign was on the seventh house, but you can use that sign. It can, give physical features, hair colour, body size, face, and so on, their temperament and everything. And, depending on what planet is aspected. So, if there was an aspect to, we'll say, Neptune, they could have blue eyes or oily skin because Neptune governs oil. So, it also governs plastics and gasoline and so on like that. 

 

So, kind of seeing how it works. So, she said, hey, you know, I saw a red pickup truck. And I almost rolled my eyes at things like that, red pickup truck. The person's been trafficked. Or, I think that their remains are by a body of water. And when you think of it, almost everything is by a body of water. Red pickup trucks, you know, you hear that often from other psychics and everything. But I said, okay, we'll look at that. Well, there was an aspect line to Mars. Mars can represent metal. Mars can also represent the colour red. So I'm like, there you go. And conjuncting that. What was right next to Mars was Jupiter. 

Jupiter's big, large, expansive. So there's your red truck. And I said, there it is. Now, I also use degrees, which I had mentioned before. Each house has 30 degrees and so on like that. So, when a planet lands in there, it'll land at a certain degree. So, 15 degrees, is your accident and assassination degree, because as you go through the house in degrees, it peaks at 15 and that's why you have your accents. And then it starts, the energy starts going down there. 29 degrees is sinister and could indicate a change is about to take place. The next number is zero. 18 degrees is the evil degree and so, the degree that was, at the planet representing the perpetrator, told me several things. That they were in the neighborhood, public facing, they were also, public facing in the neighborhood, there were four things. Military was another one and, local government. So those four things. So I gave that to her and the detective came back and said, oh, you've just described my number one suspect. He's a firefighter. Oh, big red truck. Now that makes sense. It wasn't his his own vehicle. It was his occupational vehicle. And then everything started to make sense. Local government, public facing, the military, and if you think about it, those are all things that a firefighter is.  

 

Ann: Gosh, it's brilliant. It's just brilliant and so exciting. It must be such an exciting area to work in.  

 

John: Oh, it is, yeah, no, and you know what the, the nice thing about it was, is at that moment, he said, wherever you tell me to go or, to look at or who to talk to, I'm gonna do it. It was just that little bit of, validation. 

 

Ann: Yeah. So, John, would it not be possible then, if we bring AI into this to put into your AI database, all the different meanings of the planets, all these different degrees, all the houses that we all now know about, in order to assist and help with forensic astrology? How, how would that work?  

 

John: Well, you know, I think that AI could be an aid to regular astrology because there is so much information out there in the internet about traditional astrology, and that's what AI pulls from like ChatGPT or Deep Seek, and I've, I've used them and I've experimented with it. The problem with AI for forensic astrology is there's not that much information out there, there's maybe six books that are out there. There's very few websites that are helpful, very few magazine articles, so it doesn't really have much to pull from. 

So that's one problem. The other thing is, Ben Affleck said, AI can write Elizabethan but it can't write Shakespeare. And it's so true because it's not the person. But for me, AI lacks one thing that we have. AI cannot feel, so it cannot feel into a chart at all. And it can't say, oh, I feel that this took place, or I'm looking at these set of degrees and I think it's that. When I look at the degrees, I have a document for each degree and there might be some words associated with it, some short sentences, a phrase or so on like that. And they're about a paragraph and like, and I'm picking out words from there, words or phrases or so on, like that. I don't know why sometimes in the beginning, but it all makes sense later on. AI can't do that because again, it cannot feel.  

 

Ann: So brilliant. It's so brilliant. So we won't lose our jobs. Excellent.  

 

John: Oh yeah. No, I don't think it's gonna be doing our jobs, anytime soon. I think, just like, pilots, we're not gonna have planes that are guiding them themselves. You have to have that ability to have human intervention, And like I said, I've experimented with AI and, there's a lot of stuff that it gets wrong, as well. And you have to know those things that it's getting wrong. People that are just beginning, astrologers or forensic astrologers can look at that AI and they'll say, okay, I'm gonna put that in my report. But you really have to know what's wrong and what's right. But I wouldn't use AI in forensic astrology.  

 

Ann: I know on another conversation that we've had before this one, that you spoke about how solar returns play a role in forensic astrology, but I can't remember what solar returns are, so you might have to remind me of that and people listening and then, speak a little about that, if you would. 

 

John: Sure. So, I believe that the future of forensic astrology lies in certain things. One of them would be expanding on the degrees which i I told you about. One of the degrees is seven and 19, we just had one phrase. It was pushed off a cliff, but now we know that they're also associated with just general falls and also pulled away as in drownings. 

 

So, I think expanding on the description of those degrees is one of the things. Another one is locality or astrocartography where you use maps. So, if I had the birth chart data of a, abductor and they've taken someone, where might they go? Well, they're gonna go someplace where they're comfortable, we can load that birth chart data into an astrocartography piece of software and it'll show you where the planets line up as far as the world is concerned. 

And we'll see the lines on where they feel most comfortable. So, it might be maybe a family cabin is there, maybe it's a place that they occupied or worked before. And if you give the law enforcement states in that line, towns and counties in that line, and just send out the information, be on the lookout for this person, maybe something could come up. So, I'm experimenting with that. But with solar returns, I worked on a case, you may be aware of it, it was out in the UK, the Charles Knight case. Charlie Knight. We originally thought that he was a missing hiker, so I looked at the chart from a missing person's point of view. 

 

Two years later, it turns out that it was something much more sinister. His body was found and found with his torso cut in half. And it was, it looked like they faked a suicide. So I looked at it, from that area. Did he commit suicide? I didn't think so. It was something that I felt into, but then I brought in a woman by the name of Valerie Evans. She's written a book called, Forensic Astrology 101, which is a great first book for people. And, I said, first of all, look over my work, is my work sound? And like I said, Ann, there's no egos here, let me know if I'm on the right track. She agreed with it but she also added onto certain things, but she said, hey, I'm gonna do a solo return chart. 

 

And I'd heard of it, but I was like, excuse me, what? I said, we can use this forensically. And she says, sure. Now, solar return is kind of a funny name, 'cause you can go a year ahead to where the sun was a year before. You go a year ahead to the exact same position of the sun and see what's going to take place. 

 

But in this case, we went a year before and we saw what was taking place before his murder happened and we saw the themes that were taking place. Some of the things that he was dealing with, impacting, influenced by, what planets he was influenced by. And we saw that yes, he was very depressed, but we both didn't think that he would commit suicide. 

 

And we worked closely with the mother and advised her, can't talk too much about the case because it is ongoing and I don't want to give any clues out there. But I'm quite sure she gave our report to to the police. And, we also advised her with how to handle the media and so on like that. 

 

Ann: John, it's been brilliant talking to you. This topic has got me really excited. I just think there's so much we can glean from this and just from listening to you and your knowledge, it's been amazing. Just my final question would be what do you hope to achieve with your work in the future in this area?  

 

John: Well, I would like to continue to hone my own forensic astrology knowledge. And you gain a lot just from experience alone. I would also like to continue on with adding onto the degrees, but also exploring other areas of astrology, and not just western astrology, I'll look at any type of astrology, vedic or so on, to get information. Medical astrology is also, quite helpful. So I, I think you, you're on a continual path of learning, and that's what I'm doing now. So, I think, I think that's, that's the future for me. But keeping an open mind on other areas of astrology and incorporating into the forensic astrology. And coming up, astrology is really patterns. That's how it all began, with prehistoric man and Sumerians and so on. They looked up at the sky and they saw patterns and I can see patterns in, in the chart. That's what humans do very well. And coming up with, well, what does this pattern mean? For instance, decapitations. I saw patterns with Mars and Saturn as being a decapitation, and that didn't really always exist. 

 

Chiron, the wounded healer in Taurus, Taurus governs the neck and the shoulders and the upper chest. Chiron can show injuries. So there's another decapitation. So expanding out the definition via patterns.  

 

Ann: Gosh, it's just fascinates me. John Bazley, thank you so much. If people want to get in touch with you, they've been inspired by this episode, or perhaps they'd like you to work with them on some of their projects, how might might they do that?  

 

John: Well, I think the best way is to, reach me on my website, https://www.theperceptiveinvestigator.com. They can send a message or an email to me.  

 

Ann: Perfect. And I'll put your web address into the show notes for this episode. John, I just wanna say thank you so much for sharing so beautifully and clearly the work that you are doing. It's been a fascinating conversation, and thank you so much for joining us today.  

 

John: Oh, thank you, Ann. It's been an absolute pleasure and an honour. 

 

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